Ginebra's Vroman: Great Player, Bad Fit (?)

Ginebra's Vroman: Great Player, Bad Fit (?)

Tuesday, March 20, 2012



Days since replacing 7"0 import Chris Alexander for the Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings, 6"8 FIBA star Jackson Vroman continues to fail to win over ka-barangays
with his fiery style of play. It's not even a matter of putting up the
numbers (he almost had a triple double the last time out but the
spotlight went to Rudy Hatfield's vintage 30-points, 14 rebounds
performance), it's about winning-- something Vroman hasn't had much
success with (2-2 card).

But should Vroman really be replaced as some ka-barangays have been calling for? Is he that much of a dud?

Our answer is no.


To answer the second question, statistically speaking (despite the
win-loss card), Vroman is an improvement on all fronts over Alexander.
Vroman's 22 ppg 13.25 rpg 5.25 apg 3.25 bpg are far superior than
Alexander's acceptable 14 ppg 20.3 rpg 2.3 apg 1.7 bpg. That, plus the
fact that Vroman plays with the tenacity and energy of his teammates
Hatfield and Willie Wilson while Alexander has always been the "Mr.
Cool" type of basketball player.


When it comes to being vocal, Vroman also doesn't seem to mind taking
the leadership role when the need arises-- something that could create
fireworks with other temperamental personalities on the Ginebra side
(Hatfield, Mark Caguioa, Rico Villanueva, Siot Tangquincen and
Alfrancis Chua).

So why haven't they swept their last four assignments since bringing Vroman into the fold and why are fans still stuck in their love affair with Alexander?

First, there's the size factor. At 6"8, Vroman isn't as intimidating as guarding a 7"0 giant on the hard court. Not when we're in the age of 6"6 and up Filipino
centers such as Sonny Thoss, JayR Reyes, JayR Quinahan, Rob Reyes and
Ranidel de Ocampo. Definitely not when you have your own 7 footer at
your disposal and guarding him is a 6"8 bundle of energy. It works on
so-so giants, but not against the elite ones (Marcus Douthit, Adam
Parada, Dwayne Jones) that we local basketball fans have been blessed
to watch playing on Philippine sold.

Second, Vroman isn't a traditional center-- or a power forward even. By all measures, Vroman is a small forward by trade who does his best work running around the floor
looking for seams and making hustle plays. Sometimes it works for Ginebra, others, it doesn't and here's why:

Hatfield. W. Wilson. Dylan Ababou.

All three guys play the same way as Vroman. They can put up the points,
but are best at filling in the gaps for their team. Defense, rebound,
energy and hustle-- that's what they do and are the best in the league
at (all behind Arwind Santos of course), the very same traits that
Vroman brings to the table.

For a team like the Kings, Alexander looked like the right guy. But in
reality, other than Caguioa and buddy JJ Helterbrand (and maybe John
Wilson, whenever the spirit/coaching staff moves him) this team is short
on scoring prowess. So, given the scoring numbers, you could say that
Vroman is just the right guy (since he's contributing on other ends of
the floor as well, maybe not a 20 rebounder like Alexander, but still good enough for 13 a night to go with 5 assists and 3 blocks).

The problem is, Vroman is not a legit scorer. He puts up numbers yes,
but he isn't a one-one-one scorer (Marcus Douthit), or even a shooter
(Nick Fazekas). He's solid, but maybe not the right guy for a team like
Ginebra. Not with it's current roster anyway.

Source: KKS

WHAT IF, di ganun kababa ang percentage nya s FT, may ganito pa din kaya? dun sa dalawang dikit na talo naten kontra Meralco at BMEG, KUNG naipasok lang nya halos lahat or 70% yung miss FT nya, siguardo ako hanggang ngayon, wala pa tayong talo! PERFECT ang record ni Vroman satin.. anyway, ang kelangan nalang gawin ni Vroman ay pagbutihan nya ang pag practice ng FT shots nya.. yun lang naman ang sa TINGN kong kulang sa kanya para mawala yung agam agam ng ilang bgk fans sa kanya..

Di naman kasi perfect talaga lahat ng import eh.

sana tanggalin na nya un face mask nya... bka kasi naiirita sya sa ganun...

Bad fit? hindi lang mka shoot ng FT bad fit na agad..bakit sa CA44 magaling ba sya sa FT...hindi rin naman diba?

siguro nga di lang sya sanay sa mask nya kaya ganon.... ft lang kulang pero ok naman sya... practice lang talaga...

Yun din iniisip ko, baka kaya ganun shooting nya dahil sa face mask nya..

mejo nakakairita naman talaga pag may mask ka... hirap kang magconcentrate plus sobrang pressure pa...

MAY TIRA naman talaga sa labas yan, di naman makakapasok sa NBA yan kung puro follow up dunks lang ang kaya nyang gawin..

bad fit na ba agad?? both end of the court nga sya ang nauuna bumababa.. masipag at aggressive defender.. compare kay alexander 2-1 nga pero dikit yung panalo pero pwede pa nga 0-3 yun eh..magaling si alexander noon.. pero ngayon kinakapos sya.. compare nyo sa tnt wala din naman sila legitimate center (si ali peek lang) pero nananalo sila kasi mataas ang energy nila at aggressive sila.. yun ang isa sa nagagawa ni vroman sa team

bougz wrote:bad fit na ba agad?? both end of the court nga sya ang nauuna bumababa.. masipag at aggressive defender.. compare kay alexander 2-1 nga pero dikit yung panalo pero pwede pa nga 0-3 yun eh..magaling si alexander noon.. pero ngayon kinakapos sya.. compare nyo sa tnt wala din naman sila legitimate center (si ali peek lang) pero nananalo sila kasi mataas ang energy nila at aggressive sila.. yun ang isa sa nagagawa ni vroman sa team

napakataas ng energy ng import naten halos lahat ng tira ng kalaban hinahabol nya para lang mabutata.. yung crucial fastbreak sana ni jason castro nung patapos ng 4th qtr nahabol pa nya, maging consistent lang sha sa foul line, oks na oks na para saken yang si vroman!

great defender din si vroan..ang dami nyang block at na intimidate nya lahat ng pumapasok sa loob ..

yung talo ng team sa Bmeg, masyado lang maganda ang nilaro ng Bmeg swerte kumbaga, pero di nagkulang si Vroman dun

bougz wrote:yung talo ng team sa Bmeg, masyado lang maganda ang nilaro ng Bmeg swerte kumbaga, pero di nagkulang si Vroman dun

at malas naman ni Vroman nun kasi 4/12 sha sa FT, pero sabi ko nga kung halos napasok nya lahat ng miss FT's nya, malamang since nung naging import naten sha, di pa tayo natatalo..

wala n ako pkialam kung bad fit siya, mahalaga nga nanalo bgk :BGK2:

basta mag-improve lang yung FT nya at magpatuloy yung mgandang energy na pinapakita nya eh ok na ok yon.. GO VRO!!!!!

Sa dalawang panalo ng Ginebra kay CA eto ang ave. nya:

Win over PETRON : 21 pts, 24 rebs, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block
Win over ROS : 14 pts, 13 rebs, 3 assists, 0 steal, 4 blocks

Ave: 17.5 pts, 18.5 rebs, 3 assists, 0.5 steal, 2.5 blks

Sa dalawang panalo ng Ginebra kay JV eto ang ave. nya:

Win over Powerade : 19 pts, 12 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals, 5 blocks
Win over TNT : 24 pts, 19 rebs, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 block

Ave: 21.5 pts, 15.5 rebs, 6 assists, 2.5 steals, 3 blocks

:gudjob:

Bad fit pa din ba?

all around player bad fit ba un

pde bad arm fit

para skin much better pa din si ca44 , cguro nanalo lang bgk & mganda stats nya kya sinasabing good fit, i think nagsisimula lang mabuo ung chemistry nya sa team di pa gnun ka solid, unlike kay ca44

kay vroman nabawasan ang play para kay kerby :) unlike nung si ca44 dami nya touches sa ball

JVROMAN-15pts 21 rebound
tapos isa pa sya sa mga dahilan bakit tayo nanalo kagabi BAD FIT parin ba?